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#31 colocada 25 Jan 2023, 02:14:43
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ January 22nd 2023,17:17:42 ) Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund considered an attempt to acquire Formula 1.
A potential deal faltered in the early stages last year as Liberty Media were not interested in selling.
Saudi Arabia’s PIF remains interested and values F1 at well over $20bn including debt.
https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1616954615739650049
drama started when Sulayem (FIA ) said on Twitter that the price is inflated…
prompting the F1 (Liberty media) lawyers to condemn FIA for getting in the middle of their business
soap opera?
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#32 colocada 25 Jan 2023, 13:06:59
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ January 25th 2023,02:14:43 ) Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ January 22nd 2023,17:17:42 )
Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund considered an attempt to acquire Formula 1.
A potential deal faltered in the early stages last year as Liberty Media were not interested in selling.
Saudi Arabia’s PIF remains interested and values F1 at well over $20bn including debt.
https://twitter.com/FanaticsFerrari/status/1616954615739650049
drama started when Sulayem (FIA ) said on Twitter that the price is inflated…
prompting the F1 (Liberty media) lawyers to condemn FIA for getting in the middle of their business
soap opera?
to me, Ben Sulayem shouldn't of gotten involved, as it should remain behind closed doors (the deal)
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Quote ( Sonny Long @ January 25th 2023,13:06:59 ) to me, Ben Sulayem shouldn't of gotten involved, as it should remain behind closed doors (the deal)
I'm pretty sure he has deeper meaning to what he is doing, I don't believe only one part is the bad apple..
Story continues with more declarations from Ben Sulayem.. this will have a deep impact in the F1..
My question: Is it possible that F1 tries to separate itself from FIA? Does Formula 1 belong to FIA? I know the commercial rights are Liberty Media.. but I want to know about the sport itself..
More Soap Opera
"Helmut Marko claims there is tension at Mercedes, as James Vowles takes "good technicians with him" to Williams"
https://twitter.com/formularacers_/status/1618237320532201482
Everybody is a Ferrari fan
https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1618198203329052672
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#34 colocada 25 Jan 2023, 19:13:44
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ January 25th 2023,18:35:59 ) Does Formula 1 belong to FIA?
No. The commercial rights to run the F1 championship were sold to Bernie Ecclestone for 100 years! In turn he sold the rights to Liberty Media. And now there is talk that the Saudi PIF want to buy it off Liberty for $20billion. There's something like ~85 years left to run on the deal struck with Ecclestone. So FIA have very little control at all.
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#35 colocada 25 Jan 2023, 19:20:10
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So is there a possibility that Liberty media thinks they can split from FIA?
The $20bn deal is no go. Maybe in the future another offer is made, but nothing as of now I think
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#36 colocada 26 Jan 2023, 02:41:28
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$20 billion with $10 billion going to current teams? That would be a hard offer to turn down. BUT this is the big league, money amounts are astronomical and so is the bs of it all. It will happen but you and I won't know for how much or many details
The question is, can Liberty media take a Formula 1 split from the FIA and still be viable. Consider a non-sanctioned F1 race? What would that be like... 1950's racing calendar? You can imagine other questions that would arise.
I am not fond of the closeness of the Saudi PIF (government) in the workings of the sport. I object to racing in repressive regimes, Russia, China, UAE, Saudi Arabia to name a few.. I find it hypocritical of the sport in racing there (the money is huge) and yet proclaim equality for all. Notice how more of the 'new tracks' are in the middle east. I'm 'certain' that the average Saudi citizen went to the races and had a really good time. (sic)
BS at it's finest smell and they are almost as good as our politicians.
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[img]https://i.gyazo.com/502c1e32e808c5e0763563671c6ab74d.png[/img]
Hey everyone, great post! You can already feel that little smell of season! I think it will be a good season, I would like to see the cars roll a little before giving my opinion, but it is true that there are some teams that promise a lot: the changes in Ferarrí, Alonso in Aston Martin, Mercedes that is coming from the end of the season on the rise and, of course, let's not forget about Red Bull who will try to repeat the title and, why not, maybe give Checo Pérez a chance.
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2023 F1 Driver Numbers, Team Principals and Reserve Drivers
Red Bull Racing - RBPT
1: Max VERSTAPPEN
11: Sergio PEREZ
TP: Christian Horner
Reserve Driver: Liam Lawson / Dennis Hauger / Zane Malone
Ferrari
16: Charles LECLERC
55: Carlos SAINZ
TP: Fred Vasseur
Reserve Driver: Antonio Giovinazzi
Mercedes
44 Lewis Hamilton
63 George RUSSELL
TP-CEO: Toto Wolff
Reserve Driver: Mick Schumacher
McLaren - Mercedes
4: Lando NORRIS
81: Oscar Piastri
TP: Andrea Stella
Reserve Driver: Mick Schumacher / Alex Palou (?)
Alpine
10: Pierre Gasly
31: Esteban Ocon
TP: Otmar Szafnauer
Reserve Driver: TBD
Alfa Romeo - Ferrari
77: Valtteri Bottas
24: Zhou Guanyu
TP: Alunni Bravi
Reserve Driver: Theo Pourchaire
Aston Martin - Mercedes
18: Lance Stroll
14: Fernando Alonso
TP: Mike Krack
Reserve Driver: Stoffel Vandoorne / Felipe Drugovich
HAAS - Ferrari
20: Kevin MAGNUSSEN
27: Nico HULKENBERG
TP: Guenther Steiner
Reserve Driver: Pietro Fittipaldi
Alpha Tauri - RBPT
22: Yuki Tsunoda
21: Nyck DeVries
TP: Franz Tost
Reserve Driver: (See Red Bull)
Williams - Mercedes
23: Alex Albon
02: Logan Sargeant
TP: James Vowles
Reserve Driver: (Maybe Mercedes can help us?)
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I thought Ricciardo is the reserve driver for RB.
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Quote ( Farkhad Rakhimzhanov @ February 2nd 2023,02:00:49 ) I thought Ricciardo is the reserve driver for RB.
He is the Test / Sim driver, what they call the Third driver.. but is not the Reserve driver.. they have a big roster. (Max already dismissed him, saying he will do his own sim tests)
Now the Drama: I don't know where I saw this, but Alonso had the first brush with the Team when he demanded 4 ICE instead of the 3 the team planned to run this season, It means they have to allocate less resources in other areas, and in return the can run faster engine modes.. If true, it can mean some reliability concerne, over the perfect last year, where they had no penalties for Power units / gearbox along the year.
Thoughts?
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ February 2nd 2023,02:09:28 ) Quote ( Farkhad Rakhimzhanov @ February 2nd 2023,02:00:49 )
Now the Drama: I don't know where I saw this, but Alonso had the first brush with the Team when he demanded 4 ICE instead of the 3 the team planned to run this season, It means they have to allocate less resources in other areas, and in return the can run faster engine modes.. If true, it can mean some reliability concerne, over the perfect last year, where they had no penalties for Power units / gearbox along the year.
Thoughts?
As far as I remember, there were no clashes or animosity. Alonso was simply used to engines not lasting the season (Honda, Renault) so he was trying to bring this mindset of "we will have to take penalties anyway, let's plan it from the start at least" to AM. It's more an anecdote than a real insight into his demands.
Similarly, at the post-season test he was doubtful the engine would make it to the end of the day given how many races it had already completed (six iirc). He was pleasantly surprised to find it not only survived, but retained a good level of performance, too.
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ February 2nd 2023,15:27:16 ) The FIA announces the launch of an application process to identify prospective teams seeking to participate in F1.
Gotta say after watching the Rolex 24 last weekend, F1 are really missing a trick if they don't give serious consideration to Andretti - Cadillac/GM.
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I think it's the teams the only ones pushing for keeping the status quo..
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I find it "remarkable" the competing teams have such a big say in whether or not any new team could enter the competition. They are mere participants in my POV, should be happy they are "allowed" to race. It shouldn't be up to them, as this is seemingly what you get! So called "value depreciation of teams and race earnings" ... Bullocks, just drive faster!
Way back, the max number of cars alloweed on track during the race was 26, not sure if that rule is still in play though. Anyway, even then when 26 were on the grid, several more failed to make the cut during qually and had to sit out the race. Anyone remember Hans Heyer?
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ February 2nd 2023,18:08:49 ) Way back, he max number of cars alloweed on track was 26, not sure if that rule is still in play though. Anyway, even then when 26 were on the grid, several more failed to make the cut during qually and had to sit out the race. Anyone remember Hans Heyer? Last Andretti F1 Race there were 17 teams registered to compete. 1982.
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ February 2nd 2023,18:17:36 ) Last Andretti F1 Race there were 17 teams registered to compete. 1982.
that's what I'm saying. Instead of now referring to the diminishing values, they better should think twice as they all have been living in way bigger shoes than in the old days anyway!
however, to be fair, with F1 currently growing immensely, the FIA could easily up the total prize money in my POV
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Quote ( Niels Van Heijster @ February 2nd 2023,18:21:42 ) however, to be fair, with F1 currently growing immensely, the FIA could easily up the total prize money in my POV
Is it not enough? I believe we are living the most profitable era of F1 teams EVER!
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They just wasted one hour of our time just to show us the RB18. You could have watched all the F1 highlights in that time. It even shows the RB18 in all of those videos!
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#54 colocada 13 Fev 2023, 20:19:35
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Quote ( Ibrahim Akhtar @ February 12th 2023,11:21:35 ) They just wasted one hour of our time just to show us the RB18.
meh, now all car's have similar sidepods..
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#55 colocada 13 Fev 2023, 21:13:11
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Quote ( Marcelo Ascencio @ February 13th 2023,20:19:35 ) meh, now all car's have similar sidepods..
I don´t believe we will see any changes on sidepods during the car presentations,
Any big changes on sidepods will be seen until the formal testing.
Even if MB decided to abandon their 0 sidepods design (or even RB to adopt it) we would not really seem until that date, presentations will mostly show the 2022 car with a few changes.
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#56 colocada 15 Fev 2023, 15:56:57
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#57 colocada 15 Fev 2023, 16:04:23
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That's a Formula E racing machine. Pfft...
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#58 colocada 15 Fev 2023, 16:35:12
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A lot of naked carbon fibre there.
Can't decide if that quest for an extra 0.1s in paint saving is a good or bad sign.
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#59 colocada 17 Fev 2023, 23:18:02
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#60 colocada 18 Fev 2023, 11:30:13
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So soon merc will demand midseason rule changes that would fix their development errors...
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