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Good afternoon!
Please consider the final result in
Track: Jerez
Season: 88
Race: 6
Group: Master - 3
I mixed up the type of tires (I put rain tires on dry weather), as a result, my lap time was very long.
But I didn't get off the track and had to get to the finish line.
Imre Antos was driving in front of me and he got off on lap 60.
But in the final table I was below him.
Why did I, Dmitry Knyazev, who did not get off the track, end up lower in the table of the one who dropped out of the race?
Thanks.
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Technically you completed 57 laps.... 12 laps down
Imre completed 60 laps.... So he is classified above you...
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It's just the new race viewer not being accurate, picture it as the race ending once the first car crosses the line, and you were not in L60 yet to be able to overtake the retired car at that point, so you technically finished behind him...
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Is there any chance that this anomaly will be fixed anywhere in the near future? I have always found it very weird! And I am not the only one as this is the umptieth time someone asks about it or reports it as a bug in the 2 years I am in this game.
If it is too costly to fix (which probably is as otherwise it would be dealt with already), please just add this anomaly clearly in the rules. It might already solve a bit of frustration from people affected if they know about it beforehand. I know it is already mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but not everyone seems to have read it or remember it.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,13:43:06 ) Good afternoon!
Please consider the final result in
Track: Jerez
Season: 88
Race: 6
Group: Master - 3
I mixed up the type of tires (I put rain tires on dry weather), as a result, my lap time was very long.
But I didn't get off the track and had to get to the finish line.
Imre Antos was driving in front of me and he got off on lap 60.
But in the final table I was below him.
Why did I, Dmitry Knyazev, who did not get off the track, end up lower in the table of the one who dropped out of the race?
Thanks.
Must be the sanctions.
Quote ( Bert Meeus @ July 6th 2022,14:05:59 ) Is there any chance that this anomaly will be fixed anywhere in the near future? I have always found it very weird! And I am not the only one as this is the umptieth time someone asks about it or reports it as a bug in the 2 years I am in this game.
If it is too costly to fix (which probably is as otherwise it would be dealt with already), please just add this anomaly clearly in the rules. It might already solve a bit of frustration from people affected if they know about it beforehand. I know it is already mentioned somewhere on the wiki, but not everyone seems to have read it or remember it.
I believe it is already in the rules somewhere.
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Quote ( Bert Meeus @ July 6th 2022,14:05:59 ) If it is too costly to fix (which probably is as otherwise it would be dealt with already), please just add this anomaly clearly in the rules.
Of course, this does rather assume that people check the rules before starting forum topics! Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case!!
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ July 6th 2022,13:53:33 ) picture it as the race ending once the first car crosses the line
Yes, I understand.
The final table reflects exactly this moment - right?
However, if immediately after the finish of the first car, in the middle of the peleton (2-3 laps behind), there will be changes in positions (overtaking, pit stops), then what is the correct position to consider: immediately after the finish of the first car or as a result of the arrival of these laps?
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Quote ( Ricardo Antunes @ July 6th 2022,13:53:33 ) It's just the new race viewer not being accurate, picture it as the race ending once the first car crosses the line, and you were not in L60 yet to be able to overtake the retired car at that point, so you technically finished behind him...
But that's not how it works either, Ric!! There's a precise formula for working out lap times once you've dropped out, and that is what is used to determine finishing position.
Trying to explain a confusing situation by using an incorrect simple explanation is not helpful. :)
Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,14:29:43 ) The final table reflects exactly this moment - right?
I think you know the answer, but forgot the smiley face!! ;)
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,14:29:43 ) The final table reflects exactly this moment - right?
How many laps behind you are is calculated based on the difference between your race time and the leader's. For example, if the leader's last lap was 1:20 and you finished 3:00 behind him then you will be 2 laps behind in the race results because 1:20 fits twice in the 3 minute gap. And if you have dropped out of the race then your lap time for the laps you weren't racing is double the leader's lap time I believe.
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Quote ( Mark Pinnick @ July 6th 2022,14:31:09 )
I think you know the answer, but forgot the smiley face!! ;)
I first understood the answer, and then I got confused again :)
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 6th 2022,14:35:13 ) How many laps behind you are is calculated based on the difference between your race time and the leader's. For example, if the leader's last lap was 1:20 and you finished 3:00 behind him then you will be 2 laps behind in the race results because 1:20 fits twice in the 3 minute gap. And if you have dropped out of the race then your lap time for the laps you weren't racing is double the leader's lap time I believe.
The question is when the race ends for each driver.
If at the time of the finish of the first pilot, then yes, you can immediately fix the lag time.
But if the race is still going on for the laggards and both overtaking and pit stops are possible, then the final result may be completely different.
I can't cite it now from memory, but I have had cases when lagging behind for 2 laps made a pit stop on their penultimate lap and lost position.
Although I may be wrong - it will be necessary to look more closely at future races.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,14:44:38 ) The question is when the race ends for each driver.
If at the time of the finish of the first pilot, then yes, you can immediately fix the lag time.
But if the race is still going on for the laggards and both overtaking and pit stops are possible, then the final result may be completely different.
I can't cite it now from memory, but I have had cases when lagging behind for 2 laps made a pit stop on their penultimate lap and lost position.
Although I may be wrong - it will be necessary to look more closely at future races.
Everyone drives all laps, unless the retire from the race. But the "Race summary" page makes the calculation I was talking about when calculating how many laps down someone was.
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Quote ( Mark Pinnick @ July 6th 2022,14:31:09 ) Trying to explain a confusing situation by using an incorrect simple explanation is not helpful. :)
Sorry, I did my best :P
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The race engine operates by calculating the race time of each car at the end of each lap, with all cars on that lap. The number of laps a car is down on the leader is then determined by the gap to the leader divided by the leader's laptime, rounded down to an integer value. For the race summary the number of laps down is subtracted from the total laps in the race to determine the number of laps completed.
When a car retires, it is assigned twice the laptime of the leader every lap after the car retires . As the gap to the leader will grow by the leader's laptime every lap, then the retired car will go down another lap every lap.
In your case, the car that retired on lap 60 still had a faster race time in total than you did using this method. This would have occurred by that car being far ahead of you before it retired, so that it would have stayed ahead of you even when getting double the leaders lap time for the last 9 laps.
Hopefully that helps, it is a confusing topic.
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Quote ( Richard Robin Paukson @ July 6th 2022,14:47:55 ) Everyone drives all laps
If there were overtaking on those laps that the pilot "reached"?
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Quote ( George Slater @ July 6th 2022,14:50:10 ) In your case, the car that retired on lap 60 still had a faster race time in total than you did using this method. This would have occurred by that car being far ahead of you before it retired, so that it would have stayed ahead of you even when getting double the leaders lap time for the last 9 laps.
Yes, I understood my case according to the rule "the results of the race are fixed by the finish of the first car".
Based on this rule, I fully agree with the final results of this race.
However, the animated design of the race often shows that after the "finish of the first car" in the lagging part of the peleton, there is often a productive struggle for places.
I can't give any proof examples yet - we need to follow the last laps in the upcoming races more closely.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,15:01:46 ) However, the animated design of the race often shows that after the "finish of the first car" in the lagging part of the peleton, there is often a productive struggle for places.
The new live race viewer distorts what is actually happening in the race so that it can be shown in the way it is. The original race viewer is much better at showing what is really happening in the race because it doesn't change these things. It is just less exciting to watch.
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Quote ( Dmitry Knyazev @ July 6th 2022,14:55:11 ) If there were overtaking on those laps that the pilot "reached"?
Of course.
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